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32:02 or you could say, one big _myst_ communication

I was hoping that the first puzzle, say, on Expert level would be the same, no matter how many times you play the game, but apparently, they can be different. I'm afraid that these 3-D Construction puzzles are random.

Just in the middle of my first watch-through of this, but I think there is an interesting parallel regarding Tolkien's Hobbit on one hand and Lord of the Rings on the other. Like Myst and Riven, the former is more whimsical and creative, while the latter is more realistic and gritty. Would be interesting to further elaborate on how far this similarity goes. I do know that Tolkien did revisit the Hobbit, making it align better with the grander vision of the later books, but I don't think he leaned too far in his tampering. At the same time we can consider the movie trilogy by Peter Jackson and then his later Hobbit adaptions - where the similarity seems to be even more poignant. Also, since we now have a new remake of Riven, hyped to see part 2 of this.

The 3d models are better in Riven but I'd still prefer an upscale of the original fmv sequences. Which is the best I'll ever say about fmv.

3:23 3:24 haha butt of the joke 3:44 3:45 crushing defeat haha 3:59 4:00 wolf down your food haha 4:28 4:29 ogre and ogre again haha all those puns were funny

I think Myst has been remade and ported more times than Skyrim.

I think the word you're searching for is surrealism.

I keep saying we need a remake with a bigger island, the actual scale for what the in-universe canon states.

How did you do that picture of both torn pages at the same time?

I'm really not sure what people want when they say a "1 to 1 remake" because such a thing does not exist

29:28 the version on the right doesn't even look or feel like Myst tbh

What's that game at the 18 minute mark with the big chess pieces?

This 100% it even outlines my problems with the new Riven remake.

WHERE did you find this?????

my what sharp claws you have grandma all the better to slash you to ribbons with

The Vr changes kinda suck for VR. I l'm playing this to experience myst in vr, not whatever this is. I wanna touch the mechanisms i've only seen, i wanna look up and see the stars in the planitarium. I wanna open the doors. I wanna touch the paintings and have them magically change. All these changes do is make this game less interesting to play in VR.

Have you played Physicus? If not, it's a German edutainment thing, and I feel like it captures the magical subtly toy-like feeling of the first Myst very well.

Would an Definitive Myst Remake have seamless gameplay transition from the end of mist to the beginning of Riven? Would an ideal MYST remake have point and clickesque transitions (sturdy feeling positions and perspective, comfortable and non-Jarring movement) and very slow movement with subtle very subtle walking screen sway? Would an ideal MYST remake rescue Uru? Could there be a tablet and phone app that integrates calligraphy and simulated ecosystems? Could items in the world be picked up and carried around and left for persistent location? Should there be a day night cycle or no day night cycle or a very alien day night cycle? Should there be more dynamic and immersive weather that potentially can move the player or affect the environment to increase immersion? Such as precarious wind and storms in stoneship or terrain deformation of micro asteroids in selenic? Could you bring in a second perspective as described in the Kickstarter to effectively make the game somewhat multiplayer? Could MYST have trap books that function like Riven, being able to carry around and trap yourself and escape if another person goes in? Could this gameplay mechanic be a part of a massively multiplayer online game? ɸ I have imagined the maintainers suit from the concept of art of the uru being used to limit players observation of one another in order to limit quantum fluctuations in the multiverse due to bad writing or other forms of age instability or link instability? Back into it- If MYST were to become online in some ideal version of itself could communication be limited in order to retain the sense of Erie Isolation? Would an ideal MYST Remake have more dynamic and complex traversal and climbing mechanic in the first person? should an ideal MYST remake also customizable avatars or ages like uru? In an idealized remake of MYST that did include MMO elements would players tolerate seeing one another as ghost like translucent silhouettes, an outline left the imagination implying the coplayer, like the flowing ghost hands of previous games? Would an idealized remake myst remade have randomly generated ages? Do the somewhat generic archetypal elements of MYSTs ages lend themselves to randomization? Would channelwood still be channelwood, would the mechanical age still be the mechanical, selenic, stoneship still be those places if those ages were re-arranged, possibly randomly potentially larger and extended with the same puzzles and puzzles mechanics but in different hidden places? Should Emmet and Branch have more of a role in explaining why the ages are the way they are, should the environments have more branch and emmet traces? Should MYST avoid the rationalism of living spaces bathrooms for every single character? (exile and revelation had tap sounds) would an idealized remake of mist have haptic feedback for textures and substance viscosity and movement and wind and sound? how could the team possibly return to creating open emptiness of eerie expansive mysterious spaces? Chuck Carter seemed able to generate Erie for miles, but Obduction and Firmament seemed simply empty, even Riven, Exile, and Revelation became less and less EERIE as You Me They We Us The Player continued to improve Atrus's quality of life. Could that be integrated into the ages appearances, Atrus's behavior. The brothers? Catherine? Gehn? Should an idealized remake of MYST(possibly utilizing a.i 2nd question with a seperate queztion) provide the player with more outcomes, alignments besides red/blue, manic/conniving? Could Catherine and Gehn have much more extended possibly a.i. generated alignment story elements? Can the novels be less of a black sheep contributer to MYST RIVEN Etc (the franchise) Could the most expanded version of an idealized MYST remake, one that does all of the above, including uru elements remain , always, an option to play solitarily no matter how big it gets? Is that a core element of MYST? Moveable objects, simulated substances, earthquakes that change terrain. Physical appearances of Atrus after you free him and he rewards you with free reign* of the ages. *ack collonialism-urisms!

Your voice and deliberate commentary are a huge strength of your videos. It's refreshing to hear RUclipsrs communicate a message clearly, and shouldn't that be the point of a video essay? Keep up the erudition! Do you have any influences that have shaped your delivery style?

I don't really have a strong opinion on the matter and was mostly fine with the latest Myst remake, but I do find the emphasis on realism in the discussion ironic, considering Myst's surrealism was a selling point to the extent the original tagline was "the _surrealistic_ adventure that will become your world"

One comment brought up the size of the things on the island, and yeah, watching my partner play through realMyst everything felt way too small - not just the buildings but also the island itself. The tight framing and nodal movement probably made everything feel bigger in the original, and when you're free to move about and look at everything, even though the literal dimensions may be the same, it feels wrong.

21:15 - The room with the spider chair has had its door changed to sliding. It is reasonable to infer that this will be the case with at least some other doors as well. They also moved it, to force players to solve the rotating room puzzle before being able to embark the maglev for the first time. Personally, I could never get excited one way or the other about the whole sliding door thing, but I'm of two minds about the second change. On the one hand, I really liked Riven's nonlinear structure. I think it's unfortunate that players are now forced to solve a real puzzle just to leave Temple Island (in the original, all you really had to do was play with the spider chair for a few minutes, which I suppose is technically a "puzzle" of sorts, but not very much of one). But on the other hand, the new location makes far more logical sense than the old location, because the in-universe purpose of the rotating room was to discourage the Rivenese from approaching the Golden Dome, so it would make logical sense to extend that protection to the spider chair.

Your video makes me think of Black Mirror. Would you really want a game where you so immersed in the reality that you feel the pain and experience the blood running down your face.

Oh hey, my comment was featured. Yeah, I kind of feel like a jerk to comment on someone's voice, but also if the part I dislike is something you can practice then maybe it's worth pointing out? But then if I'm the only one who has that opinion maybe it's just subjective and doesn't matter after all. Anyways, I did end up listening to the whole of episode one. Loved it. Love long-form video game analyses. I've also listened to all of Patrician's stuff on the elder scrolls - if you haven't heard of his channel, I personally put his stuff in the same category of your episode one video. Not sure if you'd agree his is the same density as yours but I'll say a multi-hour video is no problem for me as a viewer.

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Myst was written by Anna, not Katran. She goes a lot more naturalistic.

Even though I am fairly certain I disagree with your idea of what a Myst remake should be like, I wouldn’t dare insult you, or dislike the video. That’s just rude lol. However! I am fairly certain whatever ideas you’re saving for that next video which haven’t been revealed yet are summed up by the response at 26:18 As much as I want to, I very probably can’t criticize your take until you propose that full vision and how it would work today. I will say I am skeptical because most remakes and remasters tend to inherently fall short of originals by their very nature. It will take a lot of convincing for me to even believe a remake with your proposed vision won’t miss some aspect of the original that can’t be reproduced as every individual experienced at the time. Will it be too magical? Will it be not realistic enough? It’s a very challenging target to hit, even with the more straightforward remastering of video games, let alone remakes. I’m sorry if I sound mean, I am still looking forward to that next video!

I just hope if Cyan remakes MYST again they make it look more realistic, but not need to explain every minute detail just to remove the charm of the original MYST game. (e.g. I think you said that Rand miller said that the ship on MYST island that raises from the water to get to Stoneship uses hydraulics or something to lift instead of letting the player think of other ways it could be lifted such as magnets, propellers, or just plain magic.) Or I hope Cyan makes it so the ages look lived in (I think you said this in the first video but it was long and I can't fully remember.) as in add bedrooms, kitchens, communal areas, etc. not only for the two brothers, Atrus, and Catherine but also for any people that may have lived in each age. 41:40 Also I personally grew up with the mobile edition of MYST when I was younger, so i'm glad someone else shares the same opinion. Can't wait for part 2 and 3!

Like I said in the previous video, Cyan itself doesn’t seem to know what they should be going after in the pursuit of "realism." Riven felt real because it had a functional (if greatly deteriorated) ecosystem, and you could see how people survived on that world. The Ages of Myst just don’t have those elements, and the buildings on the latest versions of Myst don’t have that level of finish and care that we would expect from Atrus.

17:19 The cartoon sound effect is probably appropriate for my 5am ramblings haha. I've just had a lot of thoughts about this game for a little while that were bubbling up again in the wake of the new Riven news and your video presented an opportunity to spit them out somewhere. Glad to hear it was a "fine read" though. I definitely understood what you were getting at, that "hey, this thing is different from the others and that should be okay!" And to clarify, I kind of agree with that. A more surrealistic take on Myst can definitely fit within the universe, and even if it couldn't, it would be perfectly reasonable to remake the game as such anyways because that's definitely what the game was designed to be. I just happen to *also* not be super attached to those elements, and find a more mechanical Myst (the age) to be a more expected product from someone like Anna. That combined with my tendency to really *really* gravitate toward consistency in a series has me preferring the realism approach, even if I absolutely do think that the surrealistic elements were intentional design decisions. I get how you feel though. I would definitely be upset if they remade Portal to be super sterile and animated like the second game opposed to the weird, vaguely horror-adjacent decay we originally got, even if that *would* satisfy my obsession with consistency that makes me hurt a little bit whenever I think too hard about Portal 2. It's also a little silly that I'm concerned with consistency in a series that decided by the fourth game to say "screw it, let's retcon the first two games just for fun," but that's a can of worms I do not want to open haha.

I think you could rationalize how the original world of Myst worked without changing anything. For example, maybe there are wires that go underground from the marker switches to the map that turn on LED outlines that glow through the painting and there is a button that is behind the painting so that when you press that spot on the painting, you also press the button through the painting, which causes the line and tower to spin clockwise. However, I don’t know if that is how it works and that is the beauty of it, it’s like a magic trick; There is a perfectly logical explanation for why the magician pulls a rabbit out of his hat, but you don’t know what it is, and once you know how the trick works, it doesn’t give you the same feeling anymore. This is the mistake that Cyan made with their most recent Myst remake, they explained their magic tricks which made them less entertaining. It also doesn’t help that I would go so far as to say that the changes in Myst VR make it seem less high tech, which seems to be the opposite of what Cyan is trying to do, the rationale being that as technology advances, it becomes smaller and more efficient, take the attic in the mechanical age for example, in Myst VR it is a lot more cramped and seems very inefficient. If they want to go for high tech, it should probably look closer to the original Myst, clean and efficient.

Thanks for the video Shady. Really interesting all those various comments, and the responses you gave.I do like your touch of humour and wittiness, while responding. I prefer Riven over Myst, but I still like Myst. I like Myst being Myst, and Riven being Riven. They have their own different strengths, and they don't need to be the same, for me, at least. Have a good day and one, Shady. The same to everyone. P.S: Also poor poor Marc and Myst. : ^( .

they really should ultimately do a Myst realtime that looks 99% like the original renderings. The water barely moving and looking more like a reflective metallic surface, also most things looked more metallic, cold and rocky which gave it that super surreal feel.

People need to understand that just because something hasn’t been explained doesn’t make it magic. I wish cyan would go back to making pre-rendered games. They were the kings of that genre

I don’t like how in the myst remake they make it obvious that you get the book from the desert ground. Even if that’s where the book landed canonically, I prefer to come up with my own backstory to how I got my hands on it. I’ve never been to New Mexico or any desert so it takes me out of the character

They did kind of try to make linking more logical. That don’t outright explain it but it has something to do with the tablet and the bahro. I think when we gave the tablet back to the bahro, the linking books ceased to work. But I’m not sure. I wonder if they will hint at the nature of the star fissure in the riven remake

Realmyst 2000 has a cooler atmosphere than the rest of the realtime remakes

If you read the book of atrus, one of the ages he goes to, has a mist wall in the ocean that the inhabitants weren’t allowed to cross. I think atrus added that mist wall to all the ages of myst

Someone recreated myst island in dreams on ps4 that looks way closer to the original but none of the puzzles work

For a 3D character in live action there are several approaches apart from what is mentioned at 17:00, first is to simply extrapolate the depth from an existing 2D video, and project the resulting points into 3D, AI could be very useful for this, although you would need to fill in the blanks since only the side that was visible in the 2D video will be reconstructed in 3D. The best approach would be something like the lightstage/cinema 2.0 stuff, which is like motion capture, except it captures a 3D point cloud of the actor with real light that can be interpolated almost like a video but in 3D. The capture process itself is non-trivial, but once it has been captured it can run in realtime on decade old PC's. The technique was first demonstrated on the AMD "dragon" platform, which was a phenom 2 processor and HD 4870 GPU. This is in my opinion the best approach to capture a live human in 3D. Look up AMD cinema 2.0 on youtube, it's very impressive.

Myst does have a fair amount of mist, it's part of what makes for example the mountain look bigger than it actually is, mist is one the key non-stereoscopic cues humans use to determine scale and distance.

What's missing from mist is Aslan. The game itself has scratched the edge of _______ highlighted by the communities adage of "the stranger." Myst could save itself the magical aspects of the original game that had survived through three novels did continue surviving into future cyan games and some of the novel based game elements there's some mark of the original miss game. Somewhat tangential but even the two Ubisoft games could theoretically be reintegrated into a narrative that makes sense to both uru and their own continuity. The shortest way that I can communicate what I think is missing from continuing cyan games, the most valuable moment in the myst franchise in my opinion so far was that cyan decided to start Riven directly from within K'veer in front of Atrus but decided to not give the player control and brought the cutscene directly into link through into gameplay the way Riven did.

The longer this video goes on the weirder it is that I don't get mentioned in it since all these other commenters are getting mentioned it's like the pictures of Bloombergville that I'm not in-

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Hey this isn’t the Kenny Chesney concert…

The comment about how players tend to like more control (3D movement in that example) regardless what the devs want (players not being able to see certain things early) reminds me also of when the game asks you to set the light/darkness slider to where the thing in the middle is barely visible; I always choose to make it a little brighter than that so I can more easily see stuff in the darkness. (Rarely is anything so bright to cause a problem.)